A better vaccine?

By Marilyn Smulders - May 21, 2009

The Clinical Trials Research Centre is investigating a new HPV vaccine. 

Researchers at the Clinical Trials Research Centre are seeking young women to participate in a study testing a new HPV vaccine. More than 150 women between the ages of 16 and 26 are needed for the four-year study.

The human papillomavirus (HPV) is a common virus transmitted through genital skin-to-skin contact. Seventy-five per cent of Canadians will have at least one HPV infection in their lifetime. Most never know they have been infected. The virus can lead to warts, abnormal pap tests, or even cervical cancer.

Vaccination to prevent HPV infection is the best way to prevent genital warts and cervical cancer. The only available vaccine that protects against cervical cancer is Gardasil, approved by Health Canada in July 2006. Gardasil protects against four of the most common types of HPV—types 6, 11, 16 and 18. HPV types 16 and 18 are high-risk types and cause approximately 70 per cent of cervical cancers. HPV types 6 and 11 are low-risk types and cause approximately 90 per cent of external genital warts.

Like Gardasil, the new vaccine being studied is from the pharmaceutical company Merck. But this vaccine may be able to protect against five more strains of HPV, “potentially providing protection against an additional 10 per cent of cervical cancers,” says Dr. Shelly McNeil, an Infectious Diseases specialist at the Queen Elizabeth II Health Sciences Centre and vaccine researcher with the Clinical Trials Research Centre.

“The women who participate will be randomized to receive either Gardasil or the new study vaccine,” adds Dr. McNeil. “No one will receive a placebo; they would at least receive Gardasil.”

In 2007-08 academic year, the provincial government set up a publicly funded program for girls in Grade 7 to receive three doses of the HPV vaccine over a six-month period. Starting this fall, the HPV vaccine will also be offered to female students in Grade 10.

Outside of the provincial program, women who would like to receive the vaccine have to pay for it themselves. But it’s costly: the three doses of the vaccine cost between $400 and $500. However, by participating in the study, participants will receive the vaccine for free.

“The important issue with this trial is its long duration; we will be following volunteers for four years,” says Dr. McNeil.

The first year of the study is the busiest, requiring six visits to the Clinical Trials Research Centre, says research coordinator Robyn McCall-Sani. In the subsequent three years, volunteers will need to visit the centre, located on the fourth floor of the Goldbloom Pavillion at the IWK Children’s Centre, for twice-a-year pap tests.

Women who are interested in participating in the study should contact Ms. McCall-Sani by phoning 470-7839 or by email at robyn.sani@iwk.nshealth.ca.

The Clinical Trials Research Centre is a division of the Canadian Center for Vaccinology, a multidisciplinary research group based at Dalhousie University, the IWK Health Centre, and Capital Health.

Readers Say

This is so absurd, Gardasil is causing such havoc in the USA, as at January (and this only represents 1% reporting to VAERS) over 15,000 reports have been received regarding adverse reactions. Among these reports are 43 deaths of young girls and women who prior to their vaccination were perfectly healthy individuals. Think carefully Canada before you go down the road of experimenting another HPV vaccine - do not under any circumstances touch with a barge pole. Just one question to all of your readers "if you know that there have been very serious illnesses and deaths, and some of these deaths cannot be diagnosed at autopsy, would you be concerned?" "The one common link in all of these events is Gardasil". Please think carefully.
This is so absurd, Gardasil is causing such havoc in the USA, as at January (and this only represents 1% reporting to VAERS) over 15,000 reports have been received regarding adverse reactions. Among these reports are 43 deaths of young girls and women who prior to their vaccination were perfectly healthy individuals. Think carefully Canada before you go down the road of experimenting another HPV vaccine - do not under any circumstances touch with a barge pole. Just one question to all of your readers "if you know that there have been very serious illnesses and deaths, and some of these deaths cannot be diagnosed at autopsy, would you be concerned?" "The one common link in all of these events is Gardasil". Please think carefully.
Sources:

What Are the Key Statistics About Cervical Cancer? via American Cancer Society website Human Papillomaviruses:Natural History and Virology, Elizabeth R. Unger Ph.D.,M.D. via FDA website
NIH Technology Licensed to Merck for HPV Vaccine via NIH Office of Technology Transfer website
FDA Press Release P06-77: FDA Licenses New Vaccine for Prevention of Cervical Cancer and Other Diseases in Females Caused by Human Papillomavirus Christensen ND (2005). "Cottontail rabbit papillomavirus (CRPV) model system to test antiviral and immunotherapeutic strategies". Antivir.
Chem. Chemother. 16 (6): 355-62. PMID 16331841
Calleja-Macias IE, Villa LL, Prado JC, et al (2005). "Worldwide genomic diversity of the high-risk human papillomavirus types 31, 35, 52, and 58, four close relatives of human papillomavirus type 16". J. Virol.
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RECLASSIFICATION PETITION FOR Human Papillomavirus (HPV) DNA Nested Polymerase Chain Reaction (PCR) Detection via FDA website
Haven't we had enough problems with gardasil. Now you are using more of our girls and young women to experiment on with a new drug. What a way to use gardasil in your testing. How can you tell which drug is causing the most problems. Let's hope they test these guinea pigs for the HPV virus before they start jabbing them. Do we not wonder how many new health problems these persons will have at the end of the testing period. Let's hope girls and young women are learning that a pap test can help detect cervical cancer in it's early stages and it is treatable. Why take a chance that this new
drug will also cause the adverse side effects as thousands of girls are now experiencing all over the world. Before you vaccinate, please research.
Do not damage your children with these vaccines. I beg you all. The folks who design these things have no idea of the side-effects caused by them.
Freda: According to the CDC, 94% of the adverse reactions reported are the type commonly associated with vaccinations. Of the remaining 6%, there is no common factor which suggests a link to the vaccine. Keep in mind also that 11,916 reports were filed in the same timeframe as 23 million doses had been distributed.

Occurrence rates of life-threatening conditions are not significantly higher in recipients of the vaccine than in the general population. As such, the potential 70% prevention rate of cervical cancer seems to outweigh the risk.

I can't post a link to the CDC site, but if you Google "cdc vaccine safety gardasil" it will be the first result. The site also offers a pdf with the raw statistical data from VAERS. If you go to the Wikipedia page on Gardasil, you can also find links to a host of authoritative websites on the safety of the vaccine.
Alex Myhre - Halifax
May 21, 2009 13:40 (Atlantic)

Freda: According to the CDC, 94% of the adverse reactions reported are the type commonly associated with vaccinations. Of the remaining 6%, there is no common factor which suggests a link to the vaccine. Keep in mind also that 11,916 reports were filed in the same timeframe as 23 million doses had been distributed.

Occurrence rates of life-threatening conditions are not significantly higher in recipients of the vaccine than in the general population. As such, the potential 70% prevention rate of cervical cancer seems to outweigh the risk.

I can't post a link to the CDC site, but if you Google "cdc vaccine safety gardasil" it will be the first result. The site also offers a pdf with the raw statistical data from VAERS. If you go to the Wikipedia page on Gardasil, you can also find links to a host of authoritative websites on the safety of the vaccine.
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The CDC is almost indistinguishable from large pharmaceutical companies, much the same way in which it is hard to tell where the US Air force ends and Lockeed Martin begins. The CDC will say whatever is in the best interest of business: you can take that to the bank. Do not listen to a thing they say, do not trust their data. They will fear-monger and spread disinformation in much the same way as the WHO is doing right now.

Again, please, please, please do not throw your daughters under the bus by forcing these vaccines on them.
This is another nightmare waiting to happen. Please do not let this become a part of your family. There are too many of us parents who know only too well the many adverse affects this vaccine is causing. The best and most preventable method for cerivical cancer is the pap smear, and its safe! Please do your own reseach before taking The Gardasil vaccine. This is very serious and I for one do not want another family to have to live the nightmare that mine has been living since the loss of our daughter.
This is another nightmare waiting to happen. Please do not let this become a part of your family. There are too many of us parents who know only too well the many adverse affects this vaccine is causing. The best and most preventable method for cerivical cancer is the pap smear, and its safe! Please do your own reseach before taking The Gardasil vaccine. This is very serious and I for one do not want another family to have to live the nightmare that mine has been living since the loss of our daughter.
Alex, yes you are entitled to your opinion. Your numbers tell a story but what is actually happening is that the adverse effects are increasing as time goes by - young girls in America are still ill following their injections well over a year ago, or the mothers are still wondering why their daughters have died following vaccination - 5 of which died with no known cause of death being known. If your daughter died unexpectedly and had been vaccinated, would you not wonder or would you just regard it as a death to be expected, even although she had been healthy prior to vaccination. Shrug your shoulders and say 'well definitely not the vaccine' but the autopsy report says they cant identify cause of death. In a young person that is not normal and to my knowledge there have been five deaths like this and with all the other deaths the common factor in all was Gardasil. Also the expert Diane Harper, who was lead researcher with both Gardasil and Cervarix was concerned that the programmes had started too soon without adequate research, please try and check out her opinions. To finish are you aware that the HPV virus is not just sexually transmitted - anything up to 80% of people can have this virus in one form or another and it can be cleared naturally. But and this is what is important, if a young girl or woman has this virus and is vaccinated without the doctors checking this fact by a pap smear, then Gardasil will not protect her - try and read some of Diane Harper's concerns about this. I am not anti-vaccine but am anti unnecessary deaths and severe illnesses like different forms of paralysis, eg Guillaine-Barre Syndrome which can be brought on by vaccination and these illnesses and many others like them are being repeated across the globe. You see Alex, I know these mothers in America, this is a real situation to them and from having a healthy child, their child either has died or is very ill unable to go to school.
Alex, yes you are entitled to your opinion. Your numbers tell a story but what is actually happening is that the adverse effects are increasing as time goes by - young girls in America are still ill following their injections well over a year ago, or the mothers are still wondering why their daughters have died following vaccination - 5 of which died with no known cause of death being known. If your daughter died unexpectedly and had been vaccinated, would you not wonder or would you just regard it as a death to be expected, even although she had been healthy prior to vaccination. Shrug your shoulders and say 'well definitely not the vaccine' but the autopsy report says they cant identify cause of death. In a young person that is not normal and to my knowledge there have been five deaths like this and with all the other deaths the common factor in all was Gardasil. Also the expert Diane Harper, who was lead researcher with both Gardasil and Cervarix was concerned that the programmes had started too soon without adequate research, please try and check out her opinions. To finish are you aware that the HPV virus is not just sexually transmitted - anything up to 80% of people can have this virus in one form or another and it can be cleared naturally. But and this is what is important, if a young girl or woman has this virus and is vaccinated without the doctors checking this fact by a pap smear, then Gardasil will not protect her - try and read some of Diane Harper's concerns about this. I am not anti-vaccine but am anti unnecessary deaths and severe illnesses like different forms of paralysis, eg Guillaine-Barre Syndrome which can be brought on by vaccination and these illnesses and many others like them are being repeated across the globe. You see Alex, I know these mothers in America, this is a real situation to them and from having a healthy child, their child either has died or is very ill unable to go to school.
As a mother of a 12 year old who was injured by Gardasil, the current US version of this HPV Vaccine, I highly recommend that you do not allow your children to participate in this study. If the current Gardasil is considered safe, why does Merck need a new study? My daughter has been sick for 9 months and we have spent thousands of dollars to try to gain her former health status. Prior to Gardasil, she had NO HEALTH issues. Parents, take it from someone who knows. DO NOT allow your children to be used as a test case for this vaccine. If I had it to do over again, my child would have never have recieved this vaccine. Her life has been changed tremendously for the worse. Do not allow your child to be ONE LESS!
This is wrong and unjust. We knew that Merck and others of their ilk would begin producing more vaccines to combat more strains of the HPV virus. Give us one safe vaccine and we may reconsider - until then - women beware of the abuse on your bodies from companies out to make $$$ on them.

The data and research is there that documents that the HPV vaccine is dangerous to women's health. How many more women need to be adversely affected or die from this pharmaceutical madness?

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Regardless of whether the CDC, FDA and WHO are evil entities hell-bent on our destruction, where else are you going to get your data from? Anecdotal reports are one thing, but "the plural of anecdote is data". If you're going to be a fear-monger, at least present a source to back up your claims. At the moment it sounds like you've decided to inherently mistrust any and all organizations, instead relying on email forwards from crazy people.
Regardless of whether the CDC, FDA and WHO are evil entities hell-bent on our destruction, where else are you going to get your data from? Anecdotal reports are one thing, but "the plural of anecdote is data". If you're going to be a fear-monger, at least present a source to back up your claims. At the moment it sounds like you've decided to inherently mistrust any and all organizations, instead relying on email forwards from crazy people.
Please show us ONE document that proves that Gardasil prevents cervical cancer!
Reactive aluminum is considered toxic at 1 microgram. Each Gardasil shot has 225 micrograms (all 3 shots equal 675 micrograms!).

Along with the other toxic chemicals in Gardasil:

Each 0.5-mL dose of the vaccine contains approximately 225 mcg of aluminum (as Amorphous Aluminum Hydroxyphosphate Sulfate adjuvant), 9.56 mg of sodium chloride, 0.78 mg of L-histidine, 50 mcg of polysorbate 80, 35 mcg of sodium borate, < 7 mcg yeast protein/dose.


Do some research into those chemicals and see what you find. None of those chemicals need to be injected into anyone!

My 16 year old daughter has been injured by Gardasil. She was a healthy, active teenage girl before Gardasil was pushed on us at a routine doctor visit. After receiving 2 of the 3 shots, my daughter has experienced severe overall weakness, numbness/tingling in both legs and left arm, chest pains, racing heart, pressure in head, vision problems, back pain, abdominal pain, nausea, diarhea, weight loss, dizziness, just to name a few. She has been in the ER twice, once by ambulance for stopping breathing 3 times. She's seen several doctors. She's had a CT scan done. All tests come back normal (which is typical with all of the injured 'gardasil girls'). Her blood panel showed high on immunoglobulin E (131H) and Anti-streptolysin O (208H) which the doctor 'thought' was Rheumatic Fever. Another doctor has said he did not believe she had Rheumatic Fever.

I would love for you to look at the other side of the fence and research this. There are thousands of girls that are coming down with strange illnesses, paralysis, gran mal seizures, etc. after receiving Gardasil.

DO YOUR RESEARCH!!!!!!!!!
Girls are passing out and losing their ability to use their thought processes. This is a horrific vaccine. My daughter has been ill since Gardasil. So have many others. Here is what we go through. Fainting..all the time, migraine headaches, periphreal neurapathy both feet, gastritis, sinusitis, bloody stools, bloody noses, She was an A student now she has constant brain fog. This gardasil is horrible if you want your child to be a Merck guinea pig then I would advise you to check out the gardasil injured girls. Look at gardasil paralysis, or gardasil migraine, I believe it cause an auto-immune disease that the doctors can't or don't want to diagnose. Thanks Merck.
Far better to test this drug on willing participants than to use innocent unwilling animals for the tests.
Far better to test this drug on willing participants than to use innocent unwilling animals for the tests.
Oh Alex to frighten people for the sake of it would be wrong but to try and let them know that these events are happening in the States, in the UK, Australia, New Zealand and Europe is only common sense. You do not wish to open your eyes so be it but a good question was raised by the lady above "prove that Gardasil is safe" "prove to us that no young people have died or have become seriously ill" - you see the one thing you have forgotten and this is important, all across the world where there appears to be a pattern forming, a common link then you begin to realise what the problem is and in our opinion that is Gardasil - these young people all had the vaccination. We have the opinion also of the expert Dr Diane Harper who is concerned about Gardasil's safety and the safety of the young people in the US - so we do have the proof, we have written interviews by this lady and we have the expert's knowledge of this vaccine. That is more than you have - children dont just suddenly become ill or die, especially if they have no history of ill health, but if you are content with the product then by all means you have the right to use it. You also have the right to tell people out there that Gardasil is safe, we have the same right to tell the people that it is not safe from our point of view and from being a good idea in the beginning, we believe it has now turned out to be a monster. However, there is a greater responsibility on you than on us as you will just have to hope and pray that no one becomes sick if they decide to volunteer on this programme. All young women have the pap screening to fall back on to keep them safe, that will not harm them in any way. Consider also the number of aborted babies who were mal formed following vaccination - or are you going to blame that on "natural occurrences" or "coincidental" as well. -
My previous comment was directed at L M. Sorry, should have made that clear, but I didn't realize there would be quite so many comments on here.

I've done some more looking around, and while there are number of people voicing concerns about the safety of the vaccine I:

a) have trouble believing that the vaccine causes GBS, ALS, epilepsy, pulmonary embolism, cardiac arrythmia, diabetic ketoacidosis, etc. and still only cause these effects in what appears to be ~0.023% of those vaccinated.

b) am seeing a link to the similar controversy in which it has been claimed that MMR vaccines cause autism. In both cases, it is important to remember that correlation != causation.

However, I will concede that the high concentration of aluminum is worrisome, as someone pointed out. Furthermore, cervical cancer is relatively rare compared to cancers in general; the HPV strains thought to cause it are only a handful out of the several dozens of strains floating around in the population.

I guess rather than getting vaccinated for something like that, bearing in mind that there are appx. 10 million other things that could just as easily kill you, parents might be better advised to communicate with their children about sex, and advising them to take the proper precautions. That's trite, I know, but true.

Very well, I'm convinced. Not that Gardasil is necessarily hurting people, but that the vaccine seems to be almost entirely pointless, and that the neurotoxins used as preservatives are at least worrisome. People should be using barrier methods for a host of other very good reasons anyway.
What they fail to mention is the percentage of adverse events that were reported in the studies that were submitted to the FDA.
The document submitted to the FDA, dated June 6, 2006, in protocol 018 the ages of the participants were 9-15 boys (775) and girls (775), total number were only 1650.
On page 316 of this report, table 229, you will see that the number of clinical adverse 'experiences' is "1+ AE" (adverse experience) = 963 (82.7%)per the vaccine group.
On page 318, table 232, "clinical adverse experience", you will see that in the 9 - 12 year old group who received the vaccine was 567 (83.0%). The total number of 9 - 12 year olds in this group were only 692.
Now if you go to the closeout document to the FDA on Gardasil, dated September 11, 2008, you will see on page 76, table 41, that the total 'clinical adverse experience' of the age group 9 - 17 year olds with 1 or more 'adverse experience' was 2087 (85.9%) out of 2463 participants.
You can view these documents on the FDA website under Gardasil.
I could give you more numbers but my goal is for you to go to the FDA website and look at the documents for yourself. Educate before you vaccinate.
My Daughter also had the shot in Sep & Nov 2007 and has been sick ever since. She see's a Psychiatrist, an ENT, a Pediatrician, a Cardiologist, and an Autonomic Specialist and now a Maximized living Dr because the medicinals cannot help her!. She has had several ER visits due to seizures. She see's a Neurologist on a reg basis, has been diagnosed with Disautonomia with Orthostatic Intolerance (inability to control her blood pressure and heart rate at the same time), has blackouts, chronic dizziness, eye pain, muscle & joint pain, chest pain & shortness of breath and takes massive anxiety medicines now. She looses clumps of her hair, has blurred vision, body temperature issues (she is either cold or hot), night sweats, headaches, trembling, severe itchiness (on occasion), nausea and panic attacks. She has memory loss and confusion (also known as brain fog) to the point of me actually wondering where my Daughter has gone. Her immune system has been so compromised that she has gotten MRSA (Resistant Staff) 2 times now and been hospitalized for that as well. She was also an honor student (straight A's) with a very bright future. Her grades have dramatically dropped. We have had to put her on a plan at school so that her attendance cannot be held against her and her teachers have to reduce her work load because she doesn't know from one day to the next whether she will be able to get out of bed! I have watched my thriving once very healthy Daughter struggle daily to stay alive. I am still hoping someday I will get my Daughter back from all of this. Please do not bring harm to yourselves or your children for the sake of Merck. They have done enough damage!

I do not care what the CDC data says! only 1% of vaccine injuries are reported! If they would like to come live in hell they have my address...
My Daughter also had the shot in Sep & Nov 2007 and has been sick ever since. She see's a Psychiatrist, an ENT, a Pediatrician, a Cardiologist, and an Autonomic Specialist and now a Maximized living Dr because the medicinals cannot help her!. She has had several ER visits due to seizures. She see's a Neurologist on a reg basis, has been diagnosed with Disautonomia with Orthostatic Intolerance (inability to control her blood pressure and heart rate at the same time), has blackouts, chronic dizziness, eye pain, muscle & joint pain, chest pain & shortness of breath and takes massive anxiety medicines now. She looses clumps of her hair, has blurred vision, body temperature issues (she is either cold or hot), night sweats, headaches, trembling, severe itchiness (on occasion), nausea and panic attacks. She has memory loss and confusion (also known as brain fog) to the point of me actually wondering where my Daughter has gone. Her immune system has been so compromised that she has gotten MRSA (Resistant Staff) 2 times now and been hospitalized for that as well. She was also an honor student (straight A's) with a very bright future. Her grades have dramatically dropped. We have had to put her on a plan at school so that her attendance cannot be held against her and her teachers have to reduce her work load because she doesn't know from one day to the next whether she will be able to get out of bed! I have watched my thriving once very healthy Daughter struggle daily to stay alive. I am still hoping someday I will get my Daughter back from all of this. Please do not bring harm to yourselves or your children for the sake of Merck. They have done enough damage!

I do not care what the CDC data says! only 1% of vaccine injuries are reported! If they would like to come live in hell they have my address...
Cynthia: the first report you refer to seems to strengthen the case for Gardasil if anything. The additional AEs in the test group are injection site reactions; the number of systemic AEs are not significantly higher than for the non-Aluminum placebo.

In the second report, the test and control groups differ in the group ranging from ages 9-17, but not in the group ranging from 18-26. Looking at the follow-up, there don't seem to have been many long-term consequences, and no significant difference for test and control. Still, it raises the question of whether the vaccine should be given to children below a certain age.
Cynthia: the first report you refer to seems to strengthen the case for Gardasil if anything. The additional AEs in the test group are injection site reactions; the number of systemic AEs are not significantly higher than for the non-Aluminum placebo.

In the second report, the test and control groups differ in the group ranging from ages 9-17, but not in the group ranging from 18-26. Looking at the follow-up, there don't seem to have been many long-term consequences, and no significant difference for test and control. Still, it raises the question of whether the vaccine should be given to children below a certain age.
Anti-vaccinationists' have tried to distract you all with their cherry-picked anecdotes, their absurd statistical and toxicological assessments, and their naive smear campaigns against the FDA/CDC.

Firstly, adverse events should be expected when you receive an injection; pain, redness, swelling all qualify as clinical adverse events. Serious adverse events (including death), however, are extremely rare. These people have taken the statistics and skewed the data to fit their own predispositions - flagrant bias. Real studies conducted by qualified people go to extremes to exclude such methodological flaws, but I suppose that's too much to ask?

They have attempted to scare you with carefully selected "horror stories", but the safety of a drug cannot be measured by looking at one single anecdote. This is like trying to predict the outcome of an election by asking one person who they're voting for. Real studies don't tell one story, they tell thousands at once.

And do the posters here actually think they are qualified to assess the need for other ingredients in Gardasil, let alone assess their toxicological profile? Why don't we call up the guy from McDonald's when we want blueprints for a new harbour bridge? Because you go to trained experts for an opinion on their area of expertise. Toxicology and biochemistry is clearly not theirs.

The beauty of conspiracy theories is that you need absolutely no proof to perpetuate them. The statistics aren't in their favour, so they claim that the studies are rigged...without any supporting evidence. To even suggest that a "conspiracy" runs that deep is an affront to dedicated health care workers and scientists (whose involvement would be required), and thus it also suggests a total lack of familiarity with the clinical process or the institutions involved.

By all means do your research, but also be honest in your ability to properly assess the information you find, lest you go around spewing nonsense on the internet.
Anti-vaccinationists' have tried to distract you all with their cherry-picked anecdotes, their absurd statistical and toxicological assessments, and their naive smear campaigns against the FDA/CDC.

Firstly, adverse events should be expected when you receive an injection; pain, redness, swelling all qualify as clinical adverse events. Serious adverse events (including death), however, are extremely rare. These people have taken the statistics and skewed the data to fit their own predispositions - flagrant bias. Real studies conducted by qualified people go to extremes to exclude such methodological flaws, but I suppose that's too much to ask?

They have attempted to scare you with carefully selected "horror stories", but the safety of a drug cannot be measured by looking at one single anecdote. This is like trying to predict the outcome of an election by asking one person who they're voting for. Real studies don't tell one story, they tell thousands at once.

And do the posters here actually think they are qualified to assess the need for other ingredients in Gardasil, let alone assess their toxicological profile? Why don't we call up the guy from McDonald's when we want blueprints for a new harbour bridge? Because you go to trained experts for an opinion on their area of expertise. Toxicology and biochemistry is clearly not theirs.

The beauty of conspiracy theories is that you need absolutely no proof to perpetuate them. The statistics aren't in their favour, so they claim that the studies are rigged...without any supporting evidence. To even suggest that a "conspiracy" runs that deep is an affront to dedicated health care workers and scientists (whose involvement would be required), and thus it also suggests a total lack of familiarity with the clinical process or the institutions involved.

By all means do your research, but also be honest in your ability to properly assess the information you find, lest you go around spewing nonsense on the internet.
Alex, thank you for listening to us all - we are all nice decent people, mums and grandmothers whose main role in life is to protect our children - these children have been damaged and we hope and pray that they can all be made well again. It is taking its time but hopefully will get there in the end.
Investigate as Cynthia suggested for yourself that is the best way for you to realise that what is being said is true. Children are too precious to be used as guinea pigs, please never allow that. Again thank you for being so gracious.
Alex, thank you for listening to us all - we are all nice decent people, mums and grandmothers whose main role in life is to protect our children - these children have been damaged and we hope and pray that they can all be made well again. It is taking its time but hopefully will get there in the end.
Investigate as Cynthia suggested for yourself that is the best way for you to realise that what is being said is true. Children are too precious to be used as guinea pigs, please never allow that. Again thank you for being so gracious.
Sadly, with vaccines, some adverse reactions have now become classified as expected reactions. Go figure! Now that I know that NO vaccine has been evaluated for the potential to cause carcinogenicity, genotoxicity, and mutagenicity, it is becoming ever increasingly easy to say, "NO THANK YOU!" to ALL of them.
Sadly, with vaccines, some adverse reactions have now become classified as expected reactions. Go figure! Now that I know that NO vaccine has been evaluated for the potential to cause carcinogenicity, genotoxicity, and mutagenicity, it is becoming ever increasingly easy to say, "NO THANK YOU!" to ALL of them.
Myhre wrote:
"Cynthia: the first report you refer to seems to strengthen the case for Gardasil if anything. The additional AEs in the test group are injection site reactions; the number of systemic AEs are not significantly higher than for the non-Aluminum placebo."

In the actual Gardasil studies,if anyone here has read them, there was no obvious distinction made between aluminum-containing placebos and the supposed non-aluminum containing placebos.There was some mention made that some non-aluminum containing placebos had been used, but these were not well delineated in the study results. It was impossible to tell, from reading the studies, where and how these supposedly non-aluminum containing placebos were used, if they indeed were used. Unless that is clarified, all many of us can do is assume that most of the placebos contained aluminum. It's no wonder that some of the adverse reactions (or "events")to Gardasil involve motor neuron problems. Aluminum compounds are toxic to motor neurons.
Myhre wrote:
"Cynthia: the first report you refer to seems to strengthen the case for Gardasil if anything. The additional AEs in the test group are injection site reactions; the number of systemic AEs are not significantly higher than for the non-Aluminum placebo."

In the actual Gardasil studies,if anyone here has read them, there was no obvious distinction made between aluminum-containing placebos and the supposed non-aluminum containing placebos.There was some mention made that some non-aluminum containing placebos had been used, but these were not well delineated in the study results. It was impossible to tell, from reading the studies, where and how these supposedly non-aluminum containing placebos were used, if they indeed were used. Unless that is clarified, all many of us can do is assume that most of the placebos contained aluminum. It's no wonder that some of the adverse reactions (or "events")to Gardasil involve motor neuron problems. Aluminum compounds are toxic to motor neurons.
Kenny - if your daughter had died or became seriously ill after being vaccinated perhaps you would have a different opinion especially if she had been a healthy young lady prior to this. One thing is for sure, you cannot prove that Gardasil is safe - we can say with all certainty that something has happened to our children after Gardasil - you call them horror stories, the messages relate the truth and how these mothers wish they didnt. You are a sad person and one who would pretend that all is well when in reality it is not. You made the comment about contacting the specialist, well there is none higher than Diane Harper, the HPV vaccine was her baby and she was concerned that it had been marketed too early and couldnt guarantee it was 100% safe. So it appears that you wouldnt even listen to the specialist, do so hope that tells the people of Canada who is trying to deceive. There are many references and interviews given by this lady, its just a pity you have not done your research properly.
Kenny - if your daughter had died or became seriously ill after being vaccinated perhaps you would have a different opinion especially if she had been a healthy young lady prior to this. One thing is for sure, you cannot prove that Gardasil is safe - we can say with all certainty that something has happened to our children after Gardasil - you call them horror stories, the messages relate the truth and how these mothers wish they didnt. You are a sad person and one who would pretend that all is well when in reality it is not. You made the comment about contacting the specialist, well there is none higher than Diane Harper, the HPV vaccine was her baby and she was concerned that it had been marketed too early and couldnt guarantee it was 100% safe. So it appears that you wouldnt even listen to the specialist, do so hope that tells the people of Canada who is trying to deceive. There are many references and interviews given by this lady, its just a pity you have not done your research properly.
There seems to be quite a few posts about bad reactions to gardasil and I just wanted to mention that I had all of the gardasil vaccines and as of yet I have suffered no adverse affects.

It has probably been a year or so since I finished getting them and although I am not typically the type of person to risk getting an unnecessary vaccine I just thought I would let people know that not everybody will have an adverse affect. And giving statistics on how many people may have died from it is silly. Everybody dies of everything these days. More people have died from smoking and drinking than probably anything else and I would consider those two things to be much less necessary than a vaccine trying to protect women from disease.

So although I would not volunteer to be a test bunny for this new drug I would just like to say there are two sides to every coin. It's possible some people have already been saved from a vaccine like gardasil as well as possibly died from it, so nothing in this world is perfect. Big surprise! So if you want to get a vaccine get one, and if you don't, then don't! But let us not force our opinions on others and give out shock value bullshit statistics on how many people will die from this or that. Do what you want and deal with whatever consequences may follow.
There seems to be quite a few posts about bad reactions to gardasil and I just wanted to mention that I had all of the gardasil vaccines and as of yet I have suffered no adverse affects.

It has probably been a year or so since I finished getting them and although I am not typically the type of person to risk getting an unnecessary vaccine I just thought I would let people know that not everybody will have an adverse affect. And giving statistics on how many people may have died from it is silly. Everybody dies of everything these days. More people have died from smoking and drinking than probably anything else and I would consider those two things to be much less necessary than a vaccine trying to protect women from disease.

So although I would not volunteer to be a test bunny for this new drug I would just like to say there are two sides to every coin. It's possible some people have already been saved from a vaccine like gardasil as well as possibly died from it, so nothing in this world is perfect. Big surprise! So if you want to get a vaccine get one, and if you don't, then don't! But let us not force our opinions on others and give out shock value bullshit statistics on how many people will die from this or that. Do what you want and deal with whatever consequences may follow.
I can't prove that Gardasil is 100% safe, because there is no absolute answer. The best that doctors and scientists can manage is to demonstrate, with a high degree of confidence, that something is highly probable or improbable - in this case, the safety of a drug.

You must have heard that no drug is entirely safe: not Gardasil, not Vitorin, not Zantac, not even Tylenol. 100% safety will never be acheived nor proven in a clinical setting. So why does the public still generally believe in the myth that if their doctor prescribes it, no harm will come to them?

Because the chances of a serious or fatal reaction are so low that they seem almost insignificant. The studies on Gardasil suggest an incidence of less than one severe event per 10 000 injections, which may or may not even be related to the drug. From a regulatory standpoint (FDA, CDC, or Dr. Diane Harper, your pick) that's a generally safe drug.

Despite the myth, after tens of millions of Gardasil doses, skepticism and confusion surprisingly persist. And why? Because of an outspoken minority whose continual reliance on anecdotal evidence distorts public perception.

In selecting just one story, interview, or quote, you ignore thousands more. It's subjective picking and choosing, discretionary in its nature, and it is why anecdotal evidence is unreliable from a statistical perspective. It never tells the whole story and surely the public is deserving of all the facts. The stories of the women who took the vaccine, didn't contract HPV, and didn't eventually die of cervical cancer will never be told. Their lives will have been saved, but their stories are hidden in the numbers, and people need to know that they exist, and that they should not be forgotten.

I'll give you this - HPV is preventable by other means. Whether or not the benefits outweigh the risks is a decision, I believe, best left to the patient. I am not arguing for mass public health interventions, only for informed choice.
I can not believe some of the responses that have been written. Lauren, I hope in the future you are not one of the statistics. No one will know how long the jab is good for and if a booster is needed in a few years down the road. I am glad for you that you have not had a reaction to the jab. There have been thousands of girls and young women that have had a reaction and at least 40 in the US alone that have died that we know of. 1% to 10% that have been reported to the VAERS here in the states. One of the victims was Jessie. She was in her senior year in school about to graduate. She had just had her third shot the day before. After her 2nd shot she had headaches, muscle aches and fatigue. Two days after her 3rd shot, her mother found her dead on the floor. What had happened? No reason was found for her death. Jessie was a very healthy, active, smart, 17 year old. With wonderful friends and a family that loved her so very much. Everyone has found it hard to pick up the pieces and continue on with life. The night before her death she told her mother the headache was back and went to bed. Can you imagine finding your daughter dead. Gardasil was her killer. There is no doubt about it. GOOGLE her name and read. Jessica Faye Ericzon. Jess was my granddaughter. She should not have died. If we had known that there were deaths connected to gardasil she would never have had the jab. We all have been spreading the word but it is not going fast enough. Not enough is known as the testing is still going on and will not be concluded until September 2009. Help us in our quest to remove gardasil from the market. Our family IS NOW "ONE LESS".

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