Canadian universities withdraw from Maclean's survey
Dal News Staff - August 14, 2006
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(Ottawa Citizen Op/Ed by David Naylor, President, University of Toronto) - PDF version of letter [208 Kb]
To: Dalhousie Community I am circulating a letter from a group of Canadian university presidents that will be arriving at Maclean's magazine today indicating our collective intention to withdraw from the annual Maclean's university survey. Most of Canada's leading research universities are united in this action. The rationale for this decision is clear in the letter, but it boils down to our objection to the magazine's insistence on ranking universities based on arbitrary and deficient methodology. For many years, I have made this same point when the survey results appear. Maclean's provides a useful service in distributing detailed statistical information about different aspects of Canada's universities. However, when it lumps all these categories together into a single ranking, arbitrarily assigning more points to one category than another based on its own idiosyncratic judgment, it fundamentally misrepresents the character of every institution. For universities with a broad range of programs and degree options, such as Dalhousie, this is particularly objectionable. As the letter makes clear, the universities involved certainly are willing to discuss amendments to the magazine's approach, but to date, and over many years of discussion, these requests have not been accepted. Under the circumstances, my colleagues and I felt it necessary to take this step after careful consultation on campus and across the country. Tom Traves |
Mr. Tony Keller
Managing Editor, Special Projects
MacleanÕs
11th floor
One Mount Pleasant Road
Toronto, ON M4Y 2Y5
Dear Mr. Keller:
We regret to advise you that our universities will not be participating in the 2006 MacleanÕs questionnaire.
We share MacleanÕs goal of providing good information for students and their families who are researching post-secondary education. We also compliment you on your editorial coverage of the post-secondary sector. Many of the articles in Maclean's have contributed to the national discussion about post secondary education, and have helped to frame studentsÕ choices. Our concern relates specifically to Maclean's attempts to generate a global ranking of Canadian universities.
In various ways and for some years, many institutional spokespersons have expressed considerable reservations about the methodology used in the MacleanÕs university survey and the validity of some of the measures used. Thus far, these serious concerns have gone largely unaddressed, and there is still no evidence that MacleanÕs intends to respond to them.
We welcome public assessment of our work, and all our institutions devote significant resources to that end. We already publish a great deal of data about our own institutions on-line and intend to publish more in future, ideally in the form of standardized datasets that will facilitate valid temporal and institutional comparisons. However, it is truly hard for us to justify the investment of public funds required to generate customized data for your survey when those data are compiled in ways that we regard as over-simplified and arbitrary.
Our concerns about MacleanÕs misuse of data in its rankings issue can be briefly recapitulated here.
To begin with, the MacleanÕs rankings aggregate data from a range of variables related to the student body, class sizes, faculty, finances, library and reputation. It is inappropriate to aggregate information across a range of programs at a large and multi-dimensional research university into a single ranking number. Consider how such an approach might pervert oneÕs understanding of a general hospital that is ranked #1 in obstetrics and #10 in cancer care. Averaging these rankings would result in this hospital being ranked Ò#5 overall”. For the patient seeking care in one of these areas, such a measure would be useless at best and misleading at worst. This is, effectively, the method that MacleanÕs applies to Canadian universities by its calculation of Òleague tables” based on the arbitrary assignment of weights to variables which, by themselves, are of questionable validity. The variables selected by MacleanÕs also fail to capture the breadth of experiences students say are important in their university education such as, for example, extra-curricular activities or the opportunity for rich and diverse interactions with peers and faculty outside the classroom.
We are also concerned by MacleanÕs recent attempt to draw comparisons of student experience across incomparable surveys of student engagement, and Maclean's reliance on survey data with low response rates and all the associated response biases that arise from skewed profiles of respondents. The responsible compilation and comparison of data is a core tenet of academic research. Several universities already show student survey data, in context, on their own web sites and question Maclean's decision to pull different kinds of data out of context and compare Òapples and oranges”. MacleanÕs treatment of these survey data, in our view, fails to give appropriate notice to these methodological limitations.
It is not just the MacleanÕs student survey that has suffered from low response rates. Equally troubling is the fact that a clear majority of individuals who receive the Maclean's reputational survey do not respond. This is a particular concern as the results of the reputational survey not only affect rankings in a significant way, but are given prominence separately by your magazine.
This is only a partial accounting of the methodological flaws in the MacleanÕs rankings. In short, the ranking methodology used by MacleanÕs is oversimplified and arbitrary. We do find it ironic that universities are being asked to subsidize and legitimize this flawed methodology, when many faculty, staff and students at our institutions are dedicated in their research to ensuring that data are collected rigorously and analyzed meticulously.
We remain open to the possibility of collaborating with MacleanÕs at some future date, particularly if we can agree on means to ensure that the data will be valid and the analyses truly informative. Meanwhile, we will continue to publish data on our websites to facilitate informed student and family choice.
Yours truly,
Tom Traves, Dalhousie University
Peter George, McMaster University
Michael Stevenson, Simon Fraser University
Indira Samarasekera, University of Alberta
Stephen Toope, University of British Columbia
Harvey Weingarten, University of Calgary
William Cade, University of Lethbridge
Emoke Szathmary, University of Manitoba
Luc Vinet, University of Montreal
Gilles Patry, University of Ottawa
David Naylor, University of Toronto
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Readers Say
August 15, 2006 11:59 AM
Magazine bad as some Stu. Evaluations:, "...needs more
lipstick."
1. Parents / students NOT guided.
2. crucial for solid transfer-credit protocols
PRIVILEGED Dalhousie retiree,
Dr. Dennis M. Farrell,
Composer, ret.
PS.
a) Watch Magazine "polarize" signatories vs. non signatories
b) --draft NOW some NON-crisis-oriented response to
subsequent (derivative) local articles,
c), BIAS-CHECK: at which non-Dal univ. most of our LOCAL
Media people attended?
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August 15, 2006 1:07 PM
August 15, 2006 1:07 PM
overdue - the Macleans ranking is highly biased to the point that is
misleading and would likely lead to poor investment decisions by
governments and students.
August 15, 2006 1:08 PM
In my view, accurate and scientifically comparable information is of utmost importance for those considering Dalhousie and other Canadian Universities.
Here, here and Cheers for the letter, the action, and the collaboration!!!
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August 15, 2006 1:10 PM
Why not ask grad students - more likely to have attended more than one university to approach the idea of comparability.
August 15, 2006 1:10 PM
August 15, 2006 1:10 PM
I sincerely appreciate the circulation and care put into this letter. Thank you Tom Traves for standing up for our university and initiating such a letter that includes other reputable schools as well.
Thank you to all the presidents who signed this letter and I encourage you to solicit other universities to do the same.
Respectfully,
John-Mark D. Dawson
August 15, 2006 1:11 PM
Dave Grimshire
Technician
Health and Human Performance
494-2012
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August 15, 2006 5:20 PM
I Do NOT feel it is ethical for a magazine to put so much emphasis on some aspects of research while neglecting others to make a ranking that is clearly conditional to the person reading it.
I will look forward to a future collaboration in which the universities and MacLeans can possibly create a study without the obscure ratings.
August 15, 2006 5:22 PM
August 15, 2006 9:51 PM
reasons outlined in the letter. While I agree that the rankings are
very misleading, I think students approach the Maclean's
university issue with an understanding that such a variety of
institutions cannot reasonably be compared. The Maclean's
coverage of this has become hugely important as a non-
university source of information on post-secondary studies... it
would be a loss for Dalhousie and these other schools to pull
out.
August 15, 2006 9:58 PM
-Bonnie Skinner
BSc NESC
Dalhousie University
Class'05
August 15, 2006 11:20 PM
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August 16, 2006 11:37 AM
I cannot believe the time you are wasting pondering the validity of a single magazines ranking. Do you not realize what type of institution you are running? A University is an institution where people are graded constantly. Grading, ranking and comparing are facts of life, and something people must live with, no matter how fair or unfair they may be. Using your own example, let's say you were studying Macroeconomics. A student may know Keynes Methodology fluently and not even be aware of the Philips Curve doctrine. If a student were to receive a final exam containing mostly Keynes Methodology (which happens often) their grade would be completely skewed compared to the amount of knowledge the student has of the subject as a whole. I think this is a publicity stunt made to purvey that Universities are held at a higher esteem than any other industry. This further perpetuates the pretentious stereotype that you need a degree to be worth something. Please take the ranking for what it is worth and what it is intended to be, food for thought. These rankings are meant as a conversation topic and to incite debate. Please spend your time trying to better Dalhousie and not defending itself against something with little meaning.
Regards,
Ian Roden
August 17, 2006 7:59 PM
Sorry Ian but I have to disagree. When did numbers without context become fact? We in the technopoly and university 'industry' are bombarded by numerical analysis, grading, and statistics that have little to do with reality. And I would not be surprised if the university uses and abuses similar techniques for the sake of Efficiency and speed.
August 17, 2006 8:10 PM
This is a step in the right direction. These polls, rankings, flawed methodologies are potentially misleading- they tend to be swallowed by an uninformed public or political figures that spew the spin into social policy.
August 19, 2006 6:45 PM
effort into getting it's tuition fees lowered than worrying about a
bad mark from a magazine.
August 21, 2006 8:49 PM
MacLean's rankings are motivated by money. The issue is a good seller and clearly succeeded from the similarly popular US News' rankings. But what's good for the goose is not always so for the gander; particularly when talking of Canada geese.
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