What makes a good doctor?
Dal News Staff - November 26, 2009
Dalhousie Medical School is in the midst of developing a new curriculum for its MD program. An important first step is to determine the essential qualities that must be developed in med students so that when they graduate, they’ll be well on their way to becoming good doctors.
Dean Tom Marrie is interested in hearing what kinds of qualities people value most in their family physician or specialist. What do you appreciate about your doctor? What do you think physicians of the future will need that might not be taught at med school today?
LINKS: The dean's question | Q&A with Tom Marrie
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November 27, 2009 9:33 AM
November 27, 2009 9:47 AM
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November 27, 2009 9:59 AM
They need to be able to explain things meaningfully, but at a level you understand. They need to be slow and clear. They must give patients the information they need to understand their illness, and to ask questions about their illness.
They need to answer questions in the same way. They need to anticipate, welcome and address patients' questions. Even if they think that the concerns are silly, the concerns are real enough in the mind of the patient. If patients' concerns are not addressed, they lose confidence, and they may not tell the doctor important information. It hurts their relationship, and can dissuade the patient from seeking necessary care with the doctor.
Compassion is important too. Just a few comments, that show the patient the doctor understands what they're going through, make a difficult situation feel much easier. They need to fight on the patient's side, stick with them and do what they can. They must not throw up their hands and abandon the patient, even if they feel they can't help anything.
They also need to know when to refer patients to other care givers, and who will take good care of the patient. In a "gatekeeping" system, you need a good gatekeeper!
November 27, 2009 10:05 AM
Helping the patient feel like they aren't a number but that the doctor is interested in the patient is another character of a good doctor. I could be in the office for 5 minutes or 15 minutes but if I'm being shown that there is an interest and genuine caring by the doctor then the time doesn't really matter.
Regards, Diana
November 27, 2009 11:09 AM
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November 27, 2009 11:56 AM
If I'm for a simple little thing, say a wart on the foot, things can be more straight forward. On the other hand, if I come in with migraines, back pain or generalized anxiety, those questions will help tease out contributing environmental factors. If the physician seems rushed, or is not actively listening to my responses, they may miss the underlying issues.
Then, the ability to ask the right follow up questions is important.
The ability to demonstrate genuine active listening skills does not come easy. It may also take time. While it may not work all the time for all situations, it can be one of the most powerful tools to help get at the underlying issues. Only then can diagnoses and prescriptive strategies be on target.
Thanks for asking.
November 27, 2009 11:56 AM
If I'm for a simple little thing, say a wart on the foot, things can be more straight forward. On the other hand, if I come in with migraines, back pain or generalized anxiety, those questions will help tease out contributing environmental factors. If the physician seems rushed, or is not actively listening to my responses, they may miss the underlying issues.
Then, the ability to ask the right follow up questions is important.
The ability to demonstrate genuine active listening skills does not come easy. It may also take time. While it may not work all the time for all situations, it can be one of the most powerful tools to help get at the underlying issues. Only then can diagnoses and prescriptive strategies be on target.
Thanks for asking.
November 27, 2009 1:59 PM
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November 27, 2009 6:11 PM
Dalhousie Med School has 4 years to train physicians who will work for 30 years and impact the care of thousands of patients. Med students should learn communication and empathy skills, but I pray they learn how to properly treat medical conditions.
November 27, 2009 6:11 PM
Dalhousie Med School has 4 years to train physicians who will work for 30 years and impact the care of thousands of patients. Med students should learn communication and empathy skills, but I pray they learn how to properly treat medical conditions.
November 27, 2009 8:43 PM
November 27, 2009 9:40 PM
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November 28, 2009 11:34 AM
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November 28, 2009 12:49 PM
But, just imagine the quality of advice and care a doctor could give if he/she sat down with each patient and took the time to learn as much about their health history as possible, and then apply his/her knowledge of medicine and human health to the individual's situation.
Perhaps increasing the length of appointment times would lead to reducing pressure on doctors to meet deadlines and give them more time to spend with patients.
November 28, 2009 8:57 PM
November 29, 2009 8:54 AM
It's wonderful to have a skillful surgeon, but one who knows how to speak to people like they're human beings pre/post op in an humane manner is worth her/his weight in gold.
Also, it might also be wise for doctors/health care providers to have to be tested throughout their career, not just on the current knowledge when they are in school. Especially in regards to medications they're dispensing or alternative treatments that are available. Is a doctor in his/her 80's who still prescribes over the phone as current/patient safe, as one who makes sure to see the patient in person before updating any medication? No. But senior citizens often stick with a doctor because they're comfortable with them...not because they're necessarily skillful.
It might also be helpful to have outreach classes for the public now and then, where the students can interact with real people (not only actors) with the senior students teaching people - especially seniors- how to be an advocate for their own health care without getting into a confrontational or arrogant interaction.
Thanks for asking for input.
November 29, 2009 12:44 PM
November 29, 2009 7:20 PM
- She is kind, listens intently, and asks the important questions
- She does not immediately write you an Rx and hand it over. She wants to get to the root of the problem, not just mask it with some pills. It is so easy for a doctor to write an Rx for an anti-depressant and send you on your way, whereas she follows up and makes sure you understand the medication and as well as beneficial things to start doing in your everyday life to improve your situation.
- She does not make you feel rushed in your 15 minute appointment.
- She explains exams and procedures to you step by step before and while she is doing them to ease nerves and make you feel more comfortable.
Those are just a few... she has one of the highest MD ratings (according to ratemyMD) in Halifax for these reasons and many more! I feel very fortunate to have such a great family physician.
November 30, 2009 12:03 AM
We are taught how to recognize drug related problems in our curriculum and once recognized we explain them to the patient and inform the prescriber. The process is made much easier when the prescriber is interested in our input and willing to respond to our suggestions.
Realizing that there is always more to know and learn is a necessary quality in all health professions. Doctors need to be able to admit when they've made a mistake, and deal with it appropriately as well.
November 30, 2009 12:03 AM
We are taught how to recognize drug related problems in our curriculum and once recognized we explain them to the patient and inform the prescriber. The process is made much easier when the prescriber is interested in our input and willing to respond to our suggestions.
Realizing that there is always more to know and learn is a necessary quality in all health professions. Doctors need to be able to admit when they've made a mistake, and deal with it appropriately as well.
November 30, 2009 10:25 AM
He tells it how he see's it, no sugarcoating, and he knows what he is doing. However, he is not real and we are in Canada, so we just get who has the shortest waiting list. (Rather than choosing by ability, yay for public healthcare)
November 30, 2009 10:25 AM
He tells it how he see's it, no sugarcoating, and he knows what he is doing. However, he is not real and we are in Canada, so we just get who has the shortest waiting list. (Rather than choosing by ability, yay for public healthcare)
November 30, 2009 11:39 AM
November 30, 2009 12:00 PM
My doctor in Halifax is Dr.Mark Stender and here in Calgary I see a great Dr by the name of Dr.Rigby. Both are knowledgable, friendly, compassionate, both take the time to listen fully before giving their opinions, etc etc.
I think many of those who have had problems with doctors may be forgetting that a lot of how you're treated depends on how you treat others. I volunteer at an ER here in Calgary and the nurses/doctors behave significantly differently with cooperative, friendly, respectful patients (who demonstrate that they appreciate the advice of these medical professionals) than they do with patients who come in looking for a fault with those treating them.
I'd like to add, that I agree with most of the comments above; however, I think another key trait that makes a good doctor is the confidence to strongly promote their professional opinion. These days it seems like everyone is self-diagnosing... the ER is filled with helthy people who are convinced that they're dying. A good doctor should be able to confidently state his prognosis, even to patients who refuse to accept that their own diagnosis may be incorrect!
November 30, 2009 12:00 PM
My doctor in Halifax is Dr.Mark Stender and here in Calgary I see a great Dr by the name of Dr.Rigby. Both are knowledgable, friendly, compassionate, both take the time to listen fully before giving their opinions, etc etc.
I think many of those who have had problems with doctors may be forgetting that a lot of how you're treated depends on how you treat others. I volunteer at an ER here in Calgary and the nurses/doctors behave significantly differently with cooperative, friendly, respectful patients (who demonstrate that they appreciate the advice of these medical professionals) than they do with patients who come in looking for a fault with those treating them.
I'd like to add, that I agree with most of the comments above; however, I think another key trait that makes a good doctor is the confidence to strongly promote their professional opinion. These days it seems like everyone is self-diagnosing... the ER is filled with helthy people who are convinced that they're dying. A good doctor should be able to confidently state his prognosis, even to patients who refuse to accept that their own diagnosis may be incorrect!
November 30, 2009 12:56 PM
November 30, 2009 2:07 PM
As well, from dealing with an unnamed surgeon last year, I was very disappointed when the surgeon was very blunt, no compassion when he gave devastating news to our family about my father. He certainly wasn't humbled yet. It was very disappointing to have someone give this news in such a non-caring way, with no thought to how the family would feel about the news.
November 30, 2009 3:02 PM
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November 30, 2009 3:02 PM
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November 30, 2009 11:45 PM
A doctor needs to be able to relate with their patient in the simple way of listening to and understanding their problem and explaining the problem in a way that allows the patient to comprehend the state they are in. The patient needs reassurance yet certainity that they are in good hands because if one's health is not in their optimal state then nothing else is either.
A doctor in my opinion should be just like a good friend- approachable (even with the wildest and most random questions about one's health!), a good listerner, patient, an effective communicator (speaking a language that patients without an MD degree can understand!) and above all willing to be a part of returning one to their best health!
November 30, 2009 11:45 PM
A doctor needs to be able to relate with their patient in the simple way of listening to and understanding their problem and explaining the problem in a way that allows the patient to comprehend the state they are in. The patient needs reassurance yet certainity that they are in good hands because if one's health is not in their optimal state then nothing else is either.
A doctor in my opinion should be just like a good friend- approachable (even with the wildest and most random questions about one's health!), a good listerner, patient, an effective communicator (speaking a language that patients without an MD degree can understand!) and above all willing to be a part of returning one to their best health!
December 1, 2009 3:25 PM
December 3, 2009 2:13 PM
Don't tell me what I'm feeling, ask me. I know better than any doctor, no matter how good his/her training, what my body feels like. Don't trivialize what I say is bothering me, don't minimize my problems, and don't try to tell me it's all in my head.
Along a similar line, I know my body best. If I say that my back tends to heal poorly without physical therapy, please believe that I speak from experience. The fact that most people with the same injury will heal just fine on their own does not mean I will.
I like doctors that encourage me to do research on my diagnoses. I'd do it anyhow, but I always think the more a person knows, the more they will be able to live well with their conditions.
One that is very important to me is my doctor giving me choices and explaining them. I hate when a doctor decides what treatment plan he/she thinks we should pursue without even asking me if I'm willing to do it. I like knowing why the doctor prefers one treatment over another, and I like being able to say whether or not I agree. Sometimes, the drawbacks of one treatment plan bother me much more than the drawbacks of another, and I think I should have input in that choice.
ANSWER MY QUESTIONS! Some doctors seem to think that I don't have a right to ask questions. I may want to know if there are other options for treatment, if the treatment will address symptoms I find particularly bothersome (and if not, if we can do something to address them!), what the differential diagnosis between two possible answers is, and what I can do in addition to or instead of medication.
Send me to a specialist if you're unsure. If my case requires an expert, let's get one.
Finally, treat my pain. Too many doctors worry more about the abuse potential for drugs than about the loss of quality of life for the patient. A life of agony is no life at all.
~Kali
December 3, 2009 2:13 PM
Don't tell me what I'm feeling, ask me. I know better than any doctor, no matter how good his/her training, what my body feels like. Don't trivialize what I say is bothering me, don't minimize my problems, and don't try to tell me it's all in my head.
Along a similar line, I know my body best. If I say that my back tends to heal poorly without physical therapy, please believe that I speak from experience. The fact that most people with the same injury will heal just fine on their own does not mean I will.
I like doctors that encourage me to do research on my diagnoses. I'd do it anyhow, but I always think the more a person knows, the more they will be able to live well with their conditions.
One that is very important to me is my doctor giving me choices and explaining them. I hate when a doctor decides what treatment plan he/she thinks we should pursue without even asking me if I'm willing to do it. I like knowing why the doctor prefers one treatment over another, and I like being able to say whether or not I agree. Sometimes, the drawbacks of one treatment plan bother me much more than the drawbacks of another, and I think I should have input in that choice.
ANSWER MY QUESTIONS! Some doctors seem to think that I don't have a right to ask questions. I may want to know if there are other options for treatment, if the treatment will address symptoms I find particularly bothersome (and if not, if we can do something to address them!), what the differential diagnosis between two possible answers is, and what I can do in addition to or instead of medication.
Send me to a specialist if you're unsure. If my case requires an expert, let's get one.
Finally, treat my pain. Too many doctors worry more about the abuse potential for drugs than about the loss of quality of life for the patient. A life of agony is no life at all.
~Kali
December 3, 2009 3:47 PM
Overall I would echo Kali's comment on the importance of doctors truly listening to patients - especially those of us who have spent a lot of time in hospitals, etc, and have a pretty good grasp of our health histories and needs.
Best of luck with your curriculum planning.
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December 6, 2009 1:09 AM
But also, I really appreciate a doctor who talks. Who tells me what s/he is doing and why, and who treats me like an intelligent human being who is capable of handling information and being involved in decision making about my health and my body. My current and last PCP both, when I ask a question, will/would:
1) tell me what they know
2) tell me what they don't know (i.e. what the limits of their knowledge on the subject is)
3) research it with me (turn the monitor of their computer toward me, look up articles, read them aloud with me, let me ask questions about them, and print them for me to take home if I want
4) offer to refer me to a specialist if I have more concerns than they are able to address.
Doctors that listen are important, but we as patients are not always well trained to advocate for ourselves and seek out knowledge. An excellent doctor is one who proactively seeks to arm the patient with information and offer opportunities for questions and concerns.
December 16, 2009 10:49 AM
- Communication; talks to the patient and not at the patient. Diagnosis is 80% history!
- Stubbornness; constantly searches for new clues to confirm or refute an initial diagnosis.
- Logical reasoning; performs specific tests to achieve goals (avoiding a shotgun approach).
- A good physician is an educator. No one can know it all in medicine, therefore a good doctor learns by study (evidence-based practices), and also by observing/learning from peers.
I also believe that a calm personality and a earnest interest in medicine help as well!